I don’t remember him, he’s not how I thought he looked, he’s got a different haircut. A slide of two dogs running together, smiling and grimacing at each other – love or competition in their eyes? Michelle is speaking still. She’s talking about a philosophy of friendship. I know Matt is here because I can see his voice recorder on the table. The cloth has fold creases, the table looks nice. Michelle is saying that friends share similarities but have differences, we recognise the self in the other. She says she wouldn’t want to go to the pub with herself because she knows what she’d be getting. Does it make me narcissistic to say I think I would like to go to the pub with myself (I wonder how I move, I wonder what my body language looks like, my tics). She’s handing over. David has titled the talk ‘Not the Other’. It is him, I recognise him as he moves, as he speaks. He used to have a bob with a fringe, it was very androgynous. I like bobs. He’s talking about fascism and communism, about their essential differences in their relationship to history. Fascism predicated itself on re-routing the past to take in purity. Fascism returns to the past. Communism must abolish the past, to rid itself of the aristocracy and the class system so that everyone can get on. I like it. He makes a link with art – Modernism must cut itself off from the past, and I miss the point, is he saying Post-Modernism returns to the past. I am a Post-Modernism. I am thinking about that. He is showing work from 1992 called ‘European Letters’, it was a timely work, exploring relationships with our near neighbours, I like its use of text and image. It reminds me of Victor Burgin. I did not know that the Euro was initially called the Ecu. He wanted to visualise the subjective moment of otherness. He quotes Donald Rumsfeld “the known unknown”. He speaks in phrases that make sense to me, I understand him. It was early digital work, he was scanning in 8 x 10s. There are lots of photos, we are seeing lots of slides. I am looking at images and enjoying his voice. He is in control, imperceptibly. He has a generosity and lucidity. He is a teacher, by name and by nature. He is showing us his version of Holbein’s ‘The Ambassadors’, the painting with the anemorphic skull. A photo, early Photoshop, moving out of the orthadox photographic space. He is saying that work on computers was becoming increasingly Baroque, I don’t know what he means. He is saying that is never endless, there is no obvious point to stop. In a darkroom, I plan my work around the amount of paper I can afford to nail a print. He is saying he returned to video, he called it ‘The Politics of Friendship’, the title of a Derrida book. He says he never fully grasped the book, I find his honesty endearing. The video is made of still photographs he shot on 35 mm film, the sequence is shot, and silent, its of dogs in Barcelona sniffing wee. He is saying he went from surreality to sequentiality. He quotes Allan Sekula’s phrase “they tyranny of surreality”, I want to tell him about my relationship to Allan. How I resolved it in the end. His voice is serious with softness, there is a friendliness. He was asked to set up a photo department in Tallin, he found dialogues difficult because of the hangover of the Soviet Union. Tarkovsky’s The Stalker was filmed there, he used the text of the film as a common language, a shared experience to shape discussion, to form photographs that have an entrance point, in reaction to the film. I like what he is saying, I understand his strategy. We see a clip from Stalker, last time I saw a clip from Stalker was the last Transmission he spoke at. The photos were fragments, he shot on 35 mm on fast film, he likes grain. Presented in diptychs. An alienated viewpoint. Someone said to him, “Dave, your work’s great, shame you are not Estonian”. Its interesting, identity politics tells us that we speak of our own identity, we speak of our own difference. Is it linked with a cultural colonialism (Modernism?) to want to represent the other? Is David a closet Modernist? I don’t think I want to say that, that’s not helpful. His work is very generous, he’s talking about wanting to connect with the other. I think Allan Sekula would really like his work. He mentions that he was a student of Victor Burgin. I guessed it, I guessed it! Oh, the founding fathers of theoretically engaged, text including, contemporary photography! I love them dearly, but I am trying to move away from trying to please them. I have to make my own way, I have to let go my impulse to re-make to re-cycle inherited strategies. But I understand what David is saying, go on. A paper he gave in Ireland on Globalisation (more Allan!) led to a residency in Australia, he had to name a theme, he named Globalisation. He shows us photographs that weren’t working, another act of generosity, perhaps self confidence. He made triptychs with text in the centre panel, he brought the critical context into the frame of the work. Outside it are nature/culture binaries. The human exploitation of nature. The relationship between text and image is really working. In one the central panel is blank. David is talking about his resistance to identity politics, its not just about collecting/recognising. “Thank you for listening”. The questions, he’s talking about self as a convenient fiction, we don’t know ourselves. We see ourselves in the mirror not photos, a strange alienation of seeing yourself. Photography allows space for reverie (compared to film which suppresses our creativity). I want to ask a question, I wonder about his work based in Tallin, it seems like his relationship with his students is an element of work, how does that get transmitted? As opposed to the critical context being within the work he made in Australia. I ask the question! He talks about the ‘anxiety panel’ by the door – the didactic text. He’s talking about his anxiety at not having a signature style. I’m in the bar and I wish I could talk to him, in a way that is not sycophantic, but I think his work has a coherency and weight that I really enjoy. I speak to him, sum up my studies; I don’t do a good job. I can’t quite articulate myself in a way that demonstrates the connections between our thinking. I blurt out the anecdote he tells last time, I remind him of his slide carousel he left on the train.