A.F [...] Yeah, it endears her to you in different ways, the first thing that you notice is that she is a very pretty woman, then you pick up on her colourless, drab, shapeless clothes; an unfashionable grey tweed wrap-around skirt, a stiff, thick, grey, long armed top. Although the clothes appear warm and the child is well wrapped the room is strongly lit by low, grey, cold winter light. She is alone with the child. Her partner could be away at work. Or she could be a single parent. Alone to face the bailiffs, find some way out of the situation. The room is bare except for a small hi-fi and speaker system on the shelf behind.
B.S So you like it. But the title of the exhibition. I want to know how you think that the work, this particular piece of work relates to that. Or even if it does.
A.F I think the curator has been very canny and has included it as it seduces the viewer with this dark aesthetic. And as there this empathy thing too. Current affairs, everybody has concerns at the moment, money problems, worries, sleepless nights. The exhibition title is a question, not a statement. Can art save us? The answer to that I suspect is a definite no. But it can buck us up, can be cathartic, can let us know that we are all… most of us, have similar problems. Can help us to feel human in a seemingly increasingly cold and harsh world. That Hunter and others like him continue to record scenes of everyday life, and that it is art. Gives it a higher level of importance than if you had just come across it in a newspaper, as journalism. It works on different levels. On the one hand you feel emotional for her, you want to be able to help this woman and her child in some way. In another sense, if you are honest, totally honest about it all. You are buoyed by the work. You have a very private part of you that is always ‘saying’ something like “it could have been worse, it could have been me!”. And that is how, then it asks questions about the self. The same self that you can never really know, and then you swing back to a negative frame of mind. You look at yourself from the outside and perhaps you don’t really like what you see. Next you have a stage when the defences come down again and you blame it on society or the system. “It’s always somebody elses fault, isn’t it?”. As with a lot of good work recently its very busy and you are all over the place, emotionally. As with a lot of this type of work there’s a narrative, but as Bacon would have said this comes across through a long diatribe through the brain, it’s not work that comes across directly onto the ‘nervous system’. – But it does do that in the end. And thats why when you go along to the show, and you stand in the corner, and you’re not viewing the piece. But you are watching the people viewing the piece. Well that is why they are there for a very long time, they are immersed in this whole gamut of emotions. There is a ‘gaze within the work’. It is much more than a brilliantly realised photograph loaded with ambiguous meanings and a clever title or a classical reenactment even. The viewer sometimes finishes the work – and this could be seen as great work – quite complex, powerful great work – simply because it narrows those options down. And well, you’ve only just got to look back at how it’s been received. The reviews. First photograph to be accepted by the National Portrait Gallery. Contemporary art for everybody too, not merely the élite few or the specially trained. That’s a big deal in itself today. It’s why whenever, if you’ll take the care to notice – see the exhibition advertised, its Hunters piece that they will have used. Every time. Guarantee it. Visual hook in the marketing – to draw the general public in.
B.S Yes Hunters want is that you do engage with his work, humanize his subjects. He invests his work with a genuine knowledge and understanding thats acquired through actually having lived in these conditions. Some of these people were actually his friends and neighbours. Still are. I did some research on him a couple of years back when I had to do a thing about him. It’s a lot to do with post Thatcher Britain and real life. New underclass, the media’s representations of them and the perception of it all by middle England as all.. well all quite dark really. Why don’t they just get a job all on drugs – more crime isn’t it. We do have a tendency to exaggerate don’t we. Panic. Perhaps with more insight they.. I think he felt quite angry really, in the 90′s when he was doing that series, and wanted to show it, his community in a different light. It’s his most famous piece, the ‘Possession Order’ and the most stunning. But theres plenty more good stuff. She won a reprieve by the way. Did you know that? Yeah. Kind of spoilt it for me when I found that out. Ruined my whole weekend too. Had to re-write half of the bloody review.
A.F You evil old bastard, thats bad. And after everything you’ve just said! She’s a real person – and there’s the infant too.. I have a friend who was in Manchester when the IRA thing went off. She said the same thing – spoilt her whole weekend because she couldn’t get her slides developed – but she was only joking…
B.S Can art save us? Hunter talks about communities and challenging perceptions and I can see that sort of theme around a lot. Jeremy Dellers’ ‘Orgreave’, Charlesworth he’s no mug is he, wrote a strong piece about that too, about the politic outside of the historical re-enactment. Politics as art therapy I think. Communities destroyed by Thatcherism in the 80′s again.. Amanda Beech was up again last week too – some lecture for the University – solidarity, social glue and art that can make communities happen. Goes back to Ruskin too, doesn’t it. It was a Ruskin show really. The idea of what he thought art might be able to do. Enlightenment and communities working together – need for change – all common themes today – become fashionable again. Relation between politics and aesthetics through Ranciere and Zizek et al. Reminds me of Beeches talk again, sceptical of weak and uncritical art, considering ways in wich power is experienced through images. ‘Oh art is doing some good over there!’ I remember her saying. Maybe there really is something to think about here. The desires people have for ‘art’ in terms of what it might be able to do?
M.B The affect of the title interests me. I am wondering how – it’s much too late, the piece is much too old now, too well-known - and we shall never know – but I do wonder, how successfully received it might have been had it been shown as ‘untitled’ for all of this time. Still quite successful probably. There are tens of thousands, hundreds possibly who could have made the Vermeer link happen. And the historical re-stagement thing of course. the classical reconstruction, the lighting and everything… Bit of research on the artists background and so on. Talented student, squatter, new-age traveller, political, whatever. But as I say it’s too late for that now, as it happens I’m all for that. A good strong title. Functional text allowing a way in to something more than the purely visual… I’m sorry just thinking aloud.
A.F Its an interesting question though Mike and I think that you are right, the art-work could stand-alone in the abscence of its ‘now’ title. And I’m thinking of Theodore Lipps’ old theory, the empathy thing, wish people do seem to be reading again. How we seem to have acquired through time, or have the innate – who can really say for sure – ability to relate an emotional or reactive response to affective qualities in ‘another’ through an empathetic muscular response. Or in this case maybe its better to ‘say’ the situation of the other. Same difference for these purposes. Deleuze frames it as more of an immediate response pre.. or outside of ones.. cognitive understanding or comprehension, on a more base level? Almost a sixth sense like an animal response. Gone back to bacon again haven’t I.. or Deleuzes’ three conceptual projections of a sensation thing..
B.S Mike you’re the old romantic amongst us, the art historian. For all of this talk, meaning about the ‘Possession Order’ in particular, and what can we really ‘say’ about it that it doesn’t do itself. If you take anything home with you tonight. What would that be?
M.B Oh. Just that I could believe in it.
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Anon.

